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Consider this an important community service announcement. This site is viewed best using Firefox in reference to my post on the troubles with Internet Explorer. So if you don’t already have it. Spread the word.

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24 thoughts on “Take Back The Web

  1. I’m FF supporter, but a good design should also work in IE since more than 60% of users still use IE. At one glance, your sidebar being pushed down to the bottom after your main content could be because the usage of italic text. IE is somewhat crippled, so you might wanna check on that. positioniseverything.net might help. They also have an article on how IE renders italic text differently.

  2. i like ff’s tab browsing and stuff. one thing i dislike is having to change “profile” once in a while and i dunno how to get read of it. im sure u kena before but other than that, ff rocks X”D~.

  3. Ivan: The cause isn’t because of the italics. It’s because of the addition of the Calender in the archives. If it isn’t there. Then everything looks perfect. I’m trying to fix it anyway though.

  4. I won’t even bother to design my blog to load properly in IE. Doesn’t really matter if IE user will see a screw up blog. 🙂

  5. You know what my stand on this is, you’ve seen Firefox crash at my workstation. It doesn’t handle 20 windows as nicely as IE does. Ignoring that, it is YOUR fault your code doesn’t work with IE. It’s very possible to make a layout like this for IE. There are so many ways to add a space between two elements and I believe you have not exhausted all options.

    And hey this looks fine in IE at the office minus the tiny gap on top, but that can be fixed by changing just this:

    To:

    It’s THAT simple. People just don’t know this and then they go denounce this and that for their own inexperience. Carriage Returns also mean a space.

    You work towards defined standards; I support compatibility. I may love CSS but hey you could just use tables and other methods.

    If I may nitpick, why is this in single-quotes?

  6. Okay now your comment system is fussy.

    I don’t even understand what’s the point of you going through the effort of looking up JavaScript to make rounded corners when you could use a non-transparent PNG. It’s not like your background changes its color or image, so why should it bloody be transparent?

    The Firefox campaign turns sour because there are a lot of inexperienced coders out there who haven’t tried different ways (especially the obvious ones!) and then proudly loudly denounce IE.

    Which makes you 1337er – complaining that manual transmission cars are stupid and old, or bragging that you can drive both manual and automatic?

    Technically a web address is a URI but isn’t URL much more widely understood?

    Search and replace the [] with proper less-than and greater-than symbols for the HTML examples below.

    Original Message:

    You know what my stand on this is, you’ve seen Firefox crash at my workstation. It doesn’t handle 20 windows as nicely as IE does. Ignoring that, it is YOUR fault your code doesn’t work with IE. It’s very possible to make a layout like this for IE. There are so many ways to add a space between two elements and I believe you have not exhausted all options.

    And hey this looks fine in IE at the office minus the tiny gap on top, but that can be fixed by changing just this:

    [a href=”http://www.kamigoroshi.net”][img src=”/images/header.jpg”][/a]
    [/div]

    [div id=”content”]

    To:

    [a href=”http://www.kamigoroshi.net”][img src=”/images/header.jpg”][/a][/div][div id=”content”]

    It’s THAT simple. People just don’t know this and then they go denounce this and that for their own inexperience. Carriage Returns also mean a space.

    You work towards defined standards; I support compatibility. I may love CSS but hey you could just use tables and other methods.

    If I may nitpick, why is this in single-quotes?
    [a href=’http://www.kamigoroshi.net/archive/2005/04/’ title=’April 2005′]

  7. Dude…I don’t even use javascript in this page. It’s Javascript free.

    If I had time to spend working on debugging my code like I did last time Albert I would and you know I would spend sleepless nights on it. But I don’t don’t have as much free time and as much concentration to the code as you do. So between compatibility defined standards,

    I’d pick standards over compatibility.

    Tables gave me too many holes and layers was just a nightmare.

    As for the quotes…it’s just WordPress anyway. I moved to a new system remember? It doesn’t use static pages, it uses dynamic so as far as the problems come out, don’t think I already haven’t thought of moving the divs as you said. Everything has changed and like I said…I don’t have as much time as you to to dissect the code as I did before. If anything…I’m relearining everything anew. If you think you can do better go right ahead at it.

  8. I know you didn’t use the rounded JavaScript. You were the one who told me about it though. Dude, there’s JavaScript in your form validator. There’s JavaScript to tell the browser that this is a sticky post.

    If anything, the rounded JS thing is an example of how you choose to look at something unnecessarily complicated when something so simple could have been done. You’re giving yourself a headache.

    Why is it then that some of the codes have double-quotes instead of single-quotes? Is this a limitation of WordPress?

    Why is it that people have managed to make hole-less tables in the many years that IE took over?

    Other people can do it and these people are not as technically proficient. Layout issues only begin when people start adding complicated codes. So what if IE expands italics and breaks a fixed-width layout? Learn liquid design then. It’s not something new; websites WERE liquid in 1998.

    Sorry if this sounds like I’m taking a piss at you when it is really the whole Internet. Haha.

  9. Unfortunately complicated workarounds are some of the ways you can make some applications compatible for all browsers. Like you said, if was just IE, fine things would work, but it’s not just IE anymore isn’t it? Things that worked for IE so long ago doesn’t work for othwer browsers and that is the problem.

    The problem IS either you decide to stick to something that you want and standardise it or you go through the headache of making sure its compatible for all formats. You want to switch to liquidised layouts…you have another headache there. It’s all about compromise to what you want in your site and how your readers view it.

    Now I’m not the one to argue this because I know crap about coding, you know more than I do. But I also know a lot of people who do know coding too have the same headache regarding crossbrowser compatibility and standardised codes and if they have headaches about it, I’m taking their word for it that this is indeed a problem.

    I’m just putting this here because this is the only thing I can do in regards to what I know. But like I said…if YOU think you can do better don’t take a piss at the net or at me. DO something about it.

  10. You know that if you were sitting next to me I’d look at the WordPress code.

    Complicated workarounds come when you want complicated things.

    What I’m saying is, you, Ed, choose the more complicated route at times. On an extreme example you could be typing code like this someday:

    [div class=”normal-paragraph-bold”]

    Exactly what problem do you have about tables? What do you mean by tables giving you holes? Sorry that I asked “Why is it that people have managed to make hole-less tables in the many years that IE took over?”; it should be “Why is it that people have managed to make hole-less tables in the many years?” As in, I’m questioning why don’t you get tables.

    Tables have been nice simple tags that were pretty cross-browser friendly.

    Yes there are crossbrowser problems but these can be avoided by compromising on fancy bling bling. If anyone is going to ask me how to make a transparent IFRAME I am going to tell them I get annoyed seeing two, three or four scrollbars. Do you remember telling me how you couldn’t fit your old layout in 800×600?

  11. It’s about learning Albert. Everytime I design my site I learn things…which is what it’s all about. This time I’ve moved a step up which is CSS. Faster loading, flexible layout and all that jazz.

    Besides there are limitations in tables especially when it comes to margin and padding thats read in both IE and Firefox. They read differently which means to do what I would want usually doesn’t work out well as I hoped it would be.

    And to fix that…again…there is a compromise between asthetics and practicality. For the tables to work, you have to sacrifice asthetics and vice versa which pretty much goes back to the question…which browser would you concentrate more on.

  12. I’ve always wanted to download FF but I never did until recently. Sweet! I love it 😉 just love those tabs, I dont even have to open another window!!

    Umm, apart from tabs, I’m not sure what else benefits me from using FF…=) but I simply just lurve it.

  13. i think yeah. ed just likes to defend himself. albert also the same.

    both also don’t subscribe to the ‘to each his own’ philosophy.

    although ed is a wee bit more extreme than ed.

    heheheh this promo sticky looks rather hilarious with the ed/albert exchange. btw, ed, albert CAN be right too, you know. you’re right as well. but albert is right. saying ‘oh issit? aiyah, never mind lah let this be.’ won’t make you look stupid at all.

    and albert, saying ‘yeah firefox is now becoming for the masses, but i’m using IE lah… nothing wrong with it.’ won’t make you look shallow either.

  14. oops i meant, ed is a wee bit more extreme when it comes to defending himself, as compared to albert.

  15. Why is that everytime there’s a FireFox post, I can count on KLJS going “FIREFOX RULES!!!!!”

  16. Mueeeeh .. hehehe howssieeeeee.. remember me ?? masuk and buat kacau abit .. bleeeh .. hehe Yay !! Firefox rules ! api musang !!

  17. wheeeeeeeeeeeet…i love nothing…but myself..

    hehe..yea usin’ firefox most of my lifetime nowdays..hehe :P~

  18. Ofcourse it rocks. What more can I say? Seriously though, this is not a fanatic speaking.. umm.. maybe it is. I don’t know. Just Go Get Firefox! You won’t regret it.

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